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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

West Yosemite League[edit]

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This league lacks the WP:SIGCOV needed for a standalone article. No issues here for redirecting this to CIF Central Section. Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Less than a month and a half ago, this NOM was involved in a class discussion for deletion including this league. Until they are stopped from this kind of antagonization, I expect they will continue to attack this class of article, high school sports leagues. As I said previously, there must be WP:SIGCOV of all local high school sports leagues. No local media could survive while ignoring the local sports played by the local high schools. Prove me wrong, maybe you can find one league without this kind of coverage (but don't claim success just because you did it behind my back). This league is not the exception. Previously I added one local newspaper covering this league. That did not appease this NOM's attack. I have now added another ten, including 3 newspapers and a television station along with sports-specific media, all covering this league. There is plenty more where that came from on the first page of Google. Neglecting to look for sources before making a nomination for deletion, even muted as Merge, is a violation of WP:BEFORE. That means look first. If the article is missing some significant coverage, use your editing skills to FIX IT before bothering the entire community to needlessly discuss deleting an article.Trackinfo (talk) 03:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MUSTBESOURCES and WP:JN are not legitimate keep arguments. Routine local coverage doesn't help this subject qualify for WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 15:14, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:58, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There appears to be extensive coverage of this league in local media - Newspapers.com brings up 25,000 matches for "West Yosemite League" and its games regularly receive significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:LOTSOFSOURCES is not a suitable keep argument. We need WP:SIGCOV, and routine game reports from local outlets do not suffice to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As far as I'm aware, being extensively covered on a regular basis is what makes for a notable league; that's why WP:NBASIC states If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "inclusion is routine, and can not be taken as evidence of notability". Let'srun (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, inclusion in what? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, if you are arguing for Keeping this article, it would be helpful if you located additional sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Local coverage is beyond routine game coverage, offering examinations of the various sports leagues under this umbrella as a whole. Here are a few examples, but as was mentioned above, there are thousands of hits in local coverage for this, many of them beyond routine game coverage.
    • There's annual sigcov of football league eg: [1][2]
    • There's coverage of league tournaments and sports seasons, eg [3][4]
Also, note that there are at least two local papers covering this league.
—siroχo 08:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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